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(Hanns Jurg) Georg Wendel "George Sr." Silber (son of Hanss Wendeling - Jurg (Jorg) "George" Silber and Anna (Agnes) Maria (Lebsanff) Keller)11333 was born February 14, 1730/31 in Denkendorf, Germany11333, and died October 21, 1785 in Fredericksburg, MD11333. He married (1) Elizabeth Margaretha SchMieden. He married (3) Elizabeth Margaretha SchMieden on February 16, 1751/52 in TRAPPE, NEW PROVIDENCE TWP., MONTGOMERY CO., PA11333.

 Includes NotesNotes for (Hanns Jurg) Georg Wendel "George Sr." Silber:
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Georg Wendel Silber (George Silver Sr.)



Having had several questions arise on our family tree lately, I have de cided to run an article from September 1998’s Silver Notes. This is the l etter we received from Cousin Gary Silver of Las Vegas, Nevada, by way o f Idaho. Gary and Cousin Jim Proffitt of Pacifica, California, had both b een working in the Silber Genealogy for several months.

I am sure that many of our cousins have researched the IGI files at the ir local LDS Family History Centers. These files contain helpful inform ation but they do not trace out family trees for you. After many days o f going over these files as related to the Silber family in Denkendorf, t hen coming home and trying to put them into a family tree form continua lly sent me back to try and find more information. After much consterna tion and ruling out many possibilities, I have come up with a family tr ee that is logical and as correct as I can make it. I make no claim tha t it is entirely correct but given my resources, the pieces seem to fit t ogether this way. I neither speak nor read German but I did order in th e Microfilm files and must admit that the people who interpreted them i nto the IGI files had a monumental task before them, The microfilm cont ains additional information on some but not all the people and families i n the IGI files. After receiving the microfilm and looking at them, I r ealized that it would take too much time for my friend, who had taught G erman for thirty years, to look for this additional information. When I s ay it would take too much time, I am not speaking of days but of weeks a nd possibly months to cross-reference all the microfilm files with the i nformation I have gathered. Hopefully we have members of the family who s peak and read German that have the time necessary and can study the mic rofilm and make corrections to the family tree that I have proposed.

AGAIN, LET ME EMPHASIZE THAT I DO NOT PRESENT THE FAMILY TREE AS A FACT B UT ONLY AS A GUIDE FOR OTHERS TO INSPECT, CORRECT, AMPLIFY AND PERFECT T O A HIGHER DEGREE.

After making the tree I then went over it to see if I could come up wit h any possible connections to our George the Elder. Keep in mind that I f irst made the family tree of the Silber family in the Denkendorf area a nd then looked for connections. I found that there were several possibi lities and that all of them raised enough questions that I am not sure t hat any of them could actually be called probable.

Possibility No. 1 would be Hanss Georg Silber, born February 14, 1731, i n Denkendorf, Wuerttemburg, Germany, the son of Hanss Wendel Silber, bo rn October 2, 1675 and Anna Marie Lebansff, born about 1705 and married J uly 6, 1728. I pick him as the most probable of my choices but have dou bts because I also found a Johann Georg Silber married in Esslingen, wh ich is not too far from Denkendorf, February 9. 1762. He, if he is the s ame Hans Georg, would have been 31 years old when he married, which is o lder than most others in my study. Also, the names given to the descend ants of this Johann Georg include many not introduced in the pedigree l ine of Hanss Georg born February 14, 1731. If these two men are indeed s eparate and apart, I would have to think that the probability that Hans s Georg Silber, born February 14, 1731, increases greatly, because then I f ind no other descendants of this man in Germany. Possibly this can be c hecked out by one of our cousins that reads German. The LDS Microfilm t hat lists the marriage of Johann Georg and Maria Barbara Falch supposed ly lists additional relatives. That Microfilm will be Batch M941366 and S ource 1056637.

Another possibility would be a son of Hanss Georg Silber born June 3, 1 667, and Agnes Eplin, born April 25, 1677, and married May 2, 1702, in D enkendorf. My problem here is that I show no descendants or any of his b rothers and sisters. With the turmoil that existed in Germany at the ti me, we can speculate as to many possibilities. This Hanss Georg was the s on of Jerg Silber and Barbara Weingarter. He quite likely have had a so n by the same name and they all moved from the Denkendorf. BUT, KEEP IN M IND THAT THIS IS PURELY SPECULATION!

Even the documentation we have is sometimes not clear. Some records ind icate that Georg Silver the Second was born in 1751 but we have other r ecords that show both he and Elizabeth were christened on October 28, 1 753. I have yet to find a documented birth date for Elizabeth so I am n ot sure that she and George Jr. were twins. If their baptism records in dicate that they were twins, then I would say they were born in 1751. O ne record shows the father of George Jr. as George Silver and the other s hows that Johann Jurg Silber and Elizabeth and father and mother at the c hristening of both Jurg (George Jr.) and Elizabeth.

We know that there were two other Silver lines that came to America bef ore our George but none of them that we know of moved to North Carolina . The Archibald Silver descendants and those of Thomas Silver came from E ngland. These lines seem to stay in either New Jersey or Massachusetts r espectively.

To add further to the paradox, we have records that indicate a Silver b orn in approximately 1732 married a Jane Brandon born about 1736. This s ource indicates that the Silver gentleman’s only known area was Rowan C ounty, North Carolina. Jane Brandon was either born or raised in Rowan C ounty, and was the daughter of George Brandon and Mary Ann -------? Geo rge Brandon came from Pennsylvania as did his father John Brandon Sr. T his would lead me to believe that our George the Elder was preceeded to t his country by one of his earlier relatives. Perhaps this is the reason t hat the biggest share of them migrated to North Carolina. Another possi bility that this was actually our George and that he went back to Penns ylvania after the death of Jane Brandon. I have no record of them havin g any offspring. I do, however, find a John Silver born in 1755 that ma rried Elizabeth McCrary born in 1757. Both John and Elizabeth were from t he Rowan area. No father or mother is listed for John but Elizabeth’s p arents were Hugh McCrary and Susan or Susannah Whitaker. They had a son H ugh, born in 1778, another child, sex not mentioned, born about 1781, a nd a daughter Elizabeth, born about 1783. Since John was from Rowan Cou nty, I would tend to think that he was the son of the Silver and Jane B randon mentioned above.

With the work of Jim Proffitt and what I have submitted , I hope that o ne of our cousins with more knowledge of the German language will pick u p where we left off and come up with a more definite conclusion. I feel t hat we have found the correct Silber clan in Germany and as you will no tice that Jim and I have selected different men but with closer scrutin y please realize they are first cousins and even born the same year. I a m sure Jim has his reason for going with Georg Wendel Silber and I will s tick with Hanss Georg Silber simply because if records that show the fa ther of Jurg (George Jr.) was Johann Jurg (or in my opinion Hanss Georg ) Silber. I am sure that Jim will join me in challenging the rest of th e Silver clan to prove one or both of us wrong or correct and if wrong t o come up with a better conclusion.

(A final conclusion: After much further research, it was found that Cou sin Jim’s Georg Wendel (George Silver Sr.) was the father of Johann Jur g Silber (George Jr.). Both Jim and Gary agreed on the finality. The Si lver Family owes these two gentlemen, Jim Proffitt and Gary Silver, a l oad of thanks for all their hard work in this subject. )

source page:
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~silver/south/archive/2004-07.html

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03/21/05

More About (Hanns Jurg) Georg Wendel "George Sr." Silber:
Record Change: April 11, 200511333

More About (Hanns Jurg) Georg Wendel "George Sr." Silber and <Unnamed>:
Marriage: MD.11333

More About (Hanns Jurg) Georg Wendel "George Sr." Silber and Elizabeth Margaretha SchMieden:
Marriage: February 16, 1751/52, TRAPPE, NEW PROVIDENCE TWP., MONTGOMERY CO., PA.11333

 Includes NotesMarriage Notes for (Hanns Jurg) Georg Wendel "George Sr." Silber and Elizabeth Margaretha SchMieden:
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# ID: I0259
# Name: Hanss Jurg SILBER 1 2
# Sex: M
# Birth: 14 FEB 1730/31 in Denkendorf, Germany 3 2
# Death: 21 OCT 1785 in Fredericksburg, MD 3 2
# Change Date: 18 NOV 2001 2

Father: Hanss Wendeling SILBER b: 2 OCT 1675 in Denkendorf, Germany
Mother: Anna Maria LEBSANFF b: ABT 1705

Marriage 1 Elizabeth Margaretha SCHMIEDEN b: ABT 1733

* Married: 16 FEB 1751/52 in Trappe, Montgomery Co., PA 3 2
* Change Date: 18 NOV 2001 2

Children

1. Johann Jurg "George" SILVER b: 28 OCT 1753 in Montgomery Co., PA

source page:
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2778993&id=I0259

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03/21/05
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# ID: I57830912
# Name: Georg Wendel SILBER
# Given Name: Georg Wendel
# Surname: Silber
# Sex: M
# Birth: June 27, 1731 in Denkendorf, Neckarkreis, Wuerttenburg, German y
# Death: Oct. 21, 1785 in Frederick, Frederick, Maryland
# Note:

aka George Silver the Elder

Arrived in America September 24, 1749 at Philadelphia on the ship S peedwell, last from Cowles, England.



Father: Hanss Jurg (Jorg) SILBER b: November 14, 1682 in Denkendorf, Ne ckarkreis, Wuerttenberg, Germany
Mother: Agnes Maria KELLER b: January 22, 1701/02 in Denkendorf, Neckar kreis, Wuerttenberg, Germany

Marriage 1 Elisabeth Margaretha SCHMIEDEN b: abt. 1731 in Germany

* Married: February 16, 1752 in Trappe, New Providence Twp., Montgo mery, Pennsylvania

Children

1. George SILVER (THE YOUNGER) b: Bef. October 28, 1753 in Montgomer y Co., Pennsylvania
2. Elizabeth Margaret SILVER b: October 28, 1753 in Frederick Co., M aryland
3. Jacob SILVER b: August 25, 1765 in Rockland Twsp., Montgomery, Pe nnsylvania

source:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:1262945&id= I57830912

added:
04/11/05

Children of (Hanns Jurg) Georg Wendel "George Sr." Silber are:
  1. +George (Johann "Jurg" ) Silver, b. Bef. October 28, 1753, Montgomery County, PA11333, d. July 08, 1839, Kona, NC11334, 11335.

Children of (Hanns Jurg) Georg Wendel "George Sr." Silber and Elizabeth Margaretha SchMieden are:
  1. +George (Johann "Jurg" ) Silver, b. Bef. October 28, 1753, Montgomery County, PA11335, d. July 08, 1839, Kona, NC11336, 11337.
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