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162. Thomas BURNS (531)(211) (508) was born in 1761 in Ireland. (578)(509) (357) Thomas Burns was born in 1761 in Ireland. He died on Feb 2 1846 in Clarion Co., PA. (579)(509) Thomas Burns died on February 2, 1846, in Clarion County, PA. Thomas Burns served in the Revolutionary War. -- Martha Burns.

Thomas Burns was father of Eleanor Burns, b: 2 July 1796 in Chester Co., PA, m: 15 October 1815 d: 27 January 1865 in Nickleville, Clarion Co. PA. Eleanor's mother was Margaret McNeil. -- Patricia Roberts.

Tom Burns, descendant of Thomas Burns, has extensive history of the Burns family in his published family history. -- Burns History.

"There are only two clues, as far as I know, relating to the birthplace of Thomas Burns. Perhaps the best, and first, is in a History of Thomas Burns, written by Caroline Monks of Cleveland, OH., in 1976: "In the fall of 1946 I went to Kittanning and Clarion (PA) to see what I could learn at the courthouses, and I went to Curlesville and Sligo (PA) to try to find someone descended from Thomas and Margaret. Also, I hoped to locate their graves, but I did not accomplish this. Someone suggested that I call on Mrs. Martha Hamilton of Hawthorn. I paid her a brief visit one afternoon, and she graciously permitted me to copy some information from a piece of paper which appeared to be a copy of a Bible Record, but, although I have tried earnestly to locate this Bible I have never been able to do so. As I believe that Thomas and Margaret lived with their son Archibald for a number of years before their deaths, it would seem reasonable that if there is a Bible which once belonged to them it must now be in the possession of some descendent of Archibald. The paper,which Mrs Hamilton permitted me to copy was headed: "Children of Thomas Burns,Senior, son of an Irish Peer, Ireland, and of Margaret Montgomery of Scotland. It stated that Thomas was born in Ireland in 1761." On this trip, I also visited Mrs Flora L. Ketner of Sligo,PA., who told me she was a grand daughter of Archibald Burns. She did not know where Thomas and Margaret were buried, she did not know of a Family Bible, but she did have some information which she promised to send to me. I received a letter from her dated Nov. 19,1946, containing the same information I had obtained from Mrs Hamilton. There was a difference in the heading, however. She wrote: "Thomas Burns, Sr. was the son of an Irish Peer in Ireland. His wife, Margaret Montgomery, was born 1769 and died June 1848." How can we then account for the records given to me by Mrs Hamilton and Mrs Ketner? I have concluded that both of these ladies misinterpreted this record, that Mrs Kerner s was a copy of Mrs Hamilton s except that she actually stated that Margaret Montgomery was Thomas wife, which both ladies believed. However, the record shown to me by Mrs Hamilton can be interpreted in a different way, namely, these are the children of Thomas Burns, who was the son of an Irish Peer of Ireland and Margaret Montgomery of Scotland. This would mean that Margaret Montgomery was Thomas mother, and that it was his intention to record where his parents came from. We know that his wife Margaret was born in this country. Therefore I do believe that Margaret Montgomery was his mother." *End of excerpts from Caroline Monk*" -- Burns History, p.1

"The second clue can be found in a History of St. Joseph co. Indiana on page 854. in an autobiography of Hon Albert Minnis Burns There is, I believe, at least one error in this sketch, which says that Thomas Burns, his father, was a native of the north of Ireland, born on the 5 of August, 1812, but when a young man he came to America,. taking up his abode in Pennsylvania where he became a prominent contractor and builder, devoting his entire life to that Pursuit . ( if we now look at the Register of Relatives developed by William W. Burns, a grandson of Thomas and Margaret Burns, we will find that there was a Thomas Burns, b. 5th of August, 1812 to Thomas and Margaret Burns, but Thomas and Margaret at that time were in Pennsylvania, not Ireland). we can readily conclude that it was not Albert s father who was born in Ireland, rather it was Albert s grandfather. It may be that an error was made by the publisher of the book in transcribing information probably furnished by Albert M Burns." -- Burns History, p.1.

"From the Lycoming Gazette of July 10, 1825, page 3, found at the J.B.Library in Williamsport, PA., this item: A certain messuage, or tract of land,situate in Chapman Twp. ,in said county, containing 100 acres more or less, adjoining lands of Robert Lusk,Esq., and others, on the north side of the west branch of the Susquehanna, about two miles above the mouth of the Sinnamahoning creek, with the appurtenances consisting of a Log Dwelling House and Barn thereon erected with about thirty acres of cleared land, in the occupancy of Thomas Burns. Seized, taken in execution, and to be sold as the property of the said Thomas Burns. Sheriff's Sale of 100 acres more or less, adjoining lands of John Baird, John Caldwell, and others and the river Susquehanna, with a cabin dwelling house, and stable thereon erected, with about thirty acres of cleared land, in the occupancy of John Barr Seized, taken in execution and to be sold as the property of Thomas Burns and John Barr." -- Burns History, pp. 1-2.
He was married to Margaret MCNEIL (MCNEAL) in 1787 in Chester Co., PA. (580)(509) (357) Thomas Burns married Margaret NcNeil or NcNeal in 1787 at Chester Co., PA. Thomas Burns and Margaret McNeil has 14 children, and all but one had children. William was the only one who did not, as he died as as an infant. -- Martha Burns

There is extensive history of all descendants of the 14 children of Thomas Burns and Margaret McNeil in the Burns family history written by Tom Burns. -- Burns History.

The Burns History and Wendy Muir agree on the names of the 14 children and all of their birth dates and places, except for the date of William Burns. -- Muir, Burns History.

163. Margaret MCNEIL (MCNEAL) (581) (508) was born on Feb 22 1769 in Chester Co., PA. (582)(509) (357) Date and place of birth. She died on Jun 4 1848 in Clarion Co., PA.(583) (509)(357) Date and place of death. "Thomas Burns, b. 1761, was in Chester County [PA] and in the right township during the years when Margaret McNeil [granddaughter of Elizabeth Hamilton] was of marriageable age. The Margaret McNeil identified [as the granddaughter of Elizabeth Hamilton in Elizabeth's will] is believed to have become the wife of Thomas Burns, b. 1761." -- Tom Burns

Margaret McNeil was one of many grandchildren mentioned by name in the will of Elizabeth Hamilton. Elizabeth Hamilton had two sons, Hector and Archibald. Elizabeth could have been the child of either one. -- Tom Burns.

Margaret McNeil was the mother of Eleanor Burns, b: 2 July 1796 in Chester Co., PA, m: 15 October 1815 d: 27 January 1865 in Nickleville, Clarion Co. PA. Eleanor's father was Thomas Burns. -- Patricia Roberts. Children were:

child i. Esther BURNS was born on Apr 15 1789 in West Marlborough, Chester Co., PA. (584)(357) Birth date and place. She died after 1889.
child ii. Hector BURNS was born on Feb 14 1791 in Chester Co., PA. (585)(357) Birth date and place. He died on Jul 14 1858 in Wayne Co., OH. (586) Death date and place.
child iii. Catherine BURNS was born on Dec 19 1793 in Lycoming Co., PA. (587)(357) Catherine Burns was born on Dec. 19, 1792, maybe in Lycoming, PA. -- Burns.

Catherine Burns was born on Dec. 19, 1792, in Lycoming, PA. -- Muir.

child iv. Eleanor (Ellen)(Helen) BURNS(531) (17)(533) (588) Photo was born on Jul 2 1796 in Chester Co., PA.(589) (590)(508) (533) (357) Eleanor Burns was born July 7, 1796, Lycoming Co. (?), PA. -- Burns.

Eleanor Burns was born July 7, 1796, Lycoming, PA. -- Muir.

Eleanor Burns was born July 2, 1796, in Chester Co., PA. -- Gale Myers, Patricia Roberts.

Helen, married to George S. Myers, was 64 in the July 1860 Census. -- 1860 Census.
She died on Jan 27 1865 in Nickleville, now Venango Co., PA. (591)(592) (386) Eleanor Burns died on Jan. 2, 1865. -- Burns.

Eleanor Burns died on January 27, 1865, in Nickleville, Clarion Co., PA. -- Gale Myers.

Eleanor Burns, b: 2 July 1796 in Chester Co., PA, m: 15 October 1815 d: 27 January 1865 in Nickleville, Clarion Co. PA Age at death: 68. Burial: Georgeville Cemtery, Myers Mill, Venango Co., PA. Father: Thomas Burns, Mother: Margaret McNeil. -- Patricia Roberts.

Eleanor Burns died at age 68 of consumption. -- Helen Myers.

Ellen. -- T.H. Myers.

Eleanor. -- Martha Burns, 1850 Census.

Helen. -- 1860 Census.
child v. Elizabeth BURNS was born on Aug 21 1798 in Lycoming Co., Berkeley, PA. (593)(357) Elizabeth Burns was born August 21, 1798, in Lycoming Co., Berkeley, PA. -- Burns.

Elizabeth Burns aws borh August 21, 1798, in PA. -- Muir.
She died in 1848 in Davis Co., IA.(594) Date and place of death.

child vi. James BURNS was born on Aug 21 1798 in Lycoming Co., PA. (595)(357) Date and place.
He died on Mar 9 1873 in Van Buren, IA.(596) Date and place.

child81 vii. Nancy A. BURNS.
child viii. Archibald BURNS(357) was born on Mar 31 1802 in Pine Creek Township, Lycoming Co., PA. (357) The wives and children of Archibald Burns can be found in the Wendy Muir family tree. -- Muir.

child ix. William W. BURNS was born on Oct 23 1804 in Pine Creek Township, Lycoming Co., PA.(597) William Burns was born Oct. 23, 1794, in Pine Creek Township, Lycoming Co., PA. -- Burns.

William W. Burns was born Oct. 23, 1804, in Pine Creek Township, Lycoming Co., PA. He died Infant.(531) Thomas Burns and Margaret McNeil has 14 children, and all but one had children. William was the only one who did not, as he died as as an infant.
child x. Margaret Gallagher Montgomery BURNS was born on Jan 18 1806 in Pine Creek Township, Lycoming Co., PA.(357)
child xi. Harriet Duncan BURNS was born on May 17 1807 in Pine Creek Township, Lycoming Co., PA.(357)
child xii. Richard BURNS was born on Jun 17 1801 in Pine Creek Township, Lycoming Co., PA.(357)
child xiii. Thomas BURNS(357) was born on Aug 5 1812 in PA.(357) The wives and children of Thomas Burns can be found in the Wendy Muir family tree. -- Muir.
child xiv. Stephen Duncan BURNS(357) was born on Dec 25 1814 in Pine Creek Township, Lycoming Co., PA. The wife and children of Stephen Burns can be found in the Wendy Muir family tree. -- Muir.