1880 Census, James is in Wincobanks:
1822, the Parish of ECCLESFIELD contained:
"ECCLESFIELD, a parish-town, in the upper-division of Strafforth and Tickhill, liberty of Hallamshire; 4½ miles N. of Sheffield, 7 from Rotherham, 10 from Barnsley, 48 from York. Pop. 7,163. The Church is a vicarage, dedicated to St. John, in the deanry of Doncaster, value, £19. 3s. 4d. p.r. £150. Patron, the Duke of Norfolk." (and included Winco Bank)
For the year 1822, by Thomas Langdale
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The West Riding
WINCO BANK, a hamlet in the township and parish of Ecclesfield, (Winco Bank Hall, the seat of Joseph Reads, Esq.) 4 miles NNE. of Sheffield and 4 from Rotherham, 10 from Barnsley."
ECCLESFIELD:
Geographical and Historical information from the year 1834.
"ECCLESFIELD, is a large and populous township, in the parish of its name, and wapentake of Strafforth and Tickhill, West Riding, about four miles and a half north of Sheffield. The making of files and nails is carried on here, together with flax spinning and the manufacture of thread, &c. The places of worship are the parish church, dedicated to St. John the baptist, and a chapel each for calvinists and Wesleyan methodists. The living of Ecclesfield is a vicarage, of which the Rev. Thomas Richard Ryder is the incumbent; his present curate is the Rev. H. H. Pearson. In the township is a free school, for children of both sexes, and in the parish are several sets of alms-houses, for poor and aged men and women. About two miles hence, on the road to Barnsley, is the hamlet of Chapel Town, where are several large iron works, the most extensive of which are those belonging to Messrs. Newton, Chambers and Co. at Thorncliff, who employ about four hundred hands. The hamlet contains a chapel for Wesleyan methodists, and a free school. The entire parish of Ecclesfield contained, by the returns for 1831, 13,415 inhabitants, of which number 7,911 were returned for the township of Ecclesfield."
SOUTH YORKSHIRE - the southern part of the old West Riding, with 4 Metropolitan City or Borough Councils (Barnsley, Doncaster, Rotherham and Sheffield). (Note - there NEVER was a South Riding).
WEST RIDING - Agbrigg & Morley (Bradford, Dewsbury, Halifax, Huddersfield, Leeds suburbs, Wakefield); Barkston Ash (Selby, Tadcaster); Claro (Ripon, Knaresborough); Ewcross (Dent, Ingleton, Sedbergh); Osgoldcross (Pontefract, Goole, Snaith); Skyrack (Leeds); Staincliffe (Keighley, Settle, Skipton, Stainburn); Staincross (Barnsley); Strafforth and Tickhill (Doncaster, Rotherham, Sheffield).
The basic sub-division of England was into counties which in turn were sub-divided into parishes. Prior to 1866 most parishes were sub-divided into townships which in most cases corresponded to manors. Most townships comprised one or more villages and/or hamlets. 1866 saw the birth of the Civil Parish - not to be confused with ecclesiastic parishes - and from then on the civil and religious boundaries developed quite independently. Confusingly the civil parishes generally corresponded with the former townships - sometimes more than one. 1875 saw the birth of Rural and Urban Sanitary Districts and in 1894 we got Rural and Urban Districts - these were all defined in terms of the civil parishes they contained, but often they contained several complete civil parishes plus parts of others. Then there were registration Districts and Sub-Districts which were established in 1837 and therefore based on the pre-1866 parishes and townships. Then there were Poor-Law Unions - ie unions of parishes for looking after the poor.
Note the frequent use of the word "most" in the above paragraph - in almost every case there were exceptions. Sometimes a parish was sub-divided into Grieveships instead of townships, in other cases there were Quarters or Constablewicks. Some counties were divided into Ridings or Hundreds which in turn were subdivided into parishes. Some areas of parishes were not in townships - these were usually areas not considered habitable, nonetheless in some cases villages were established in these areas. Other areas were not even in parishes - these were termed "extra-parochial" and were the lands formerly belonging to monasteries or other religious houses. There were numerous such areas in the two counties; some, like Kidland in Northumberland, were larger than many parishes, others, like Masters Close near Mickley, were tiny. Now perhaps you might see why this is not a subject which can be summarized in a few words - and I haven't even touched on the situation in the cities or towns with Borough status, and I've made several simplifications too.
Now when it comes to describing a location, the hierarchy used would depend on the date and the purpose of the description. A certificate of birth, marriage or death would use the Registration District and Sub-district and some further sub-division, perhaps the township, village and house names. After 1875 it would very likely include the Rural or Urban Sanitary District too - e.g. XXXX R.S.D, and after 1894 the Rural or Urban District would replace this. For church purposes the description would be based on the ecclesiastic parish with the addition of the a village/hamlet and (if you are lucky) the house name. For poor-law purposes, Poor Law Union districts and parishes were used - and so on.
Finally we come to the subject of postal addresses!!! This can be terribly confusing, because these bear no relationship whatsever to any of the above. They were initially based on the delivery route, so, for example, until 1902 locations at High Spen had the address "High Spen, Lintz Green, Newcastle-on-Tyne", because its mail was routed via Newcastle and Lintz Green. When Rowlands Gill Post Office was opened, the address became "High Spen, Rowlands Gill, Newcastle-on-Tyne" because its mail was then routed via Rowlands Gill. Later the "on-Tyne" became "upon-Tyne" and around 1924 the PO decided to make the address "High Spen, Rowlands Gill, Co. Durham", even though the mail still came via Newcastle. In 1971 post-codes were added and in 1974, because of the creation of the new county of Tyne and Wear, it became "High Spen, Rowlands Gill, Tyne and Wear". And so it remains, even though Tyne and Wear was abolished in 1986 and High Spen is in Gateshead Metropolitan District which effectively has county status. Now compare that with the neighbouring village of Chopwell - initially it was "Chopwell, Ebchester, Newcastle-on-Tyne" then just "Chopwell, Newcastle-upon-Tyne", then "Chopwell, Co Durham" but only briefly because it soon reverted to "Chopwell, Newcastle-upon-Tyne" again - and so it remains to this day!! This is a mystery even to locals - why should Chopwell have Newcastle upon Tyne in its address when it is further from Newcastle than High Spen which doesn't?
Add to this the fact that the Post Office are very slow to notice changes - they used Rural Sanitary Districts in addresses in the 1920's despite the fact that they were abolished in 1894 - they still use "Middlesex" in addresses when Middlesex ceased to exist in 1963. Also they occasionally move people into adjacent counties, ie a person living in county A has county B in his address because his mail comes from a sorting office in county B.
Ecclesfield
Created 1st July 1837. Abolished 1st January 1850 (incorporated into Barnsley, Hemsworth and Wortley districts).
Sub-districts : Barnsley; Cawthorne; Darfield; High Hoyland; Roystone; Worsbrough
GRO volumes : XXII (1837-50).
Ardsley, Barnsley, Barugh, Billingley, Brierley, Carlton, Cawthorne, Chevet, Cudworth, Darfield, Darton, Denby, Dodworth, Ecclesfield Rural, Ecclesfield Urban, Great Houghton, Havercroft with Cold Hiendley, High Hoyland, Kexborough, Little Houghton, Monk Bretton, Nether Hoyland, Notton, Roystone, Ryhill, Shafton, Silkstone, South Hiendley, Stainbrough, West Clayton, Wintersett, Wombwell, Woolley, Worsbrough.
Registers now in Barnsley and Wakefield districts.
The background to the claims is that in the UK (including Ireland at that time) in 1908 old age pensions were payable to persons age 70 or
over. To prove the claim the claimants were asked about where they lived and about the family they were living with in either 1841 or 1851 or both depending on their claimed age. The census returns of those years were then checked. These claim forms, annotated by the census search officer, still exist at the Public Record Office in Belfast and some also at the National Archive in Dublin. In 1915? the UK government ordered the destruction of (most of) the 1851 Irish census returns (shortage of paper during the war) and sometimes
church registers were substituted for census examination. In 1922 (after Irish independance) the 1841 census was destroyed by fire at the
Dublin Public Record Office. The Irish census returns of 1861 - 1891 were also destroyed in 1915. The only census that is officially available in Belfast is that of 1901 although the 1911 is available apparently world-wide!! After 1922, when no method of checking claims was possible, the claimants simply swore an oath about their age.
Jan Tweedie 8.30.00 Jimmy Lindores was an Englishman, its illeged that he came from the North of England, although his kids now live in London, apparently. His father however, it is reckoned, came from Lindores Grange in Scotland . (If not his father, then a little further back in the ancestory). We visited the Grange when I was about ten. There was a big house with a lake that the family used to talk about when mum was young, and when we went, apparently, the house was still there, and all of the boats on the lake were called after family members. I dont remember the details myself, obviously. Either way, it seems that the line came straight from Lindores Grange to
England, and then to Ireland.
At time of son, Alexander's, birth he and wife Mary Ellen (Morris) were living at 23 Morpeth Street
NOTES ON OTHER LINDORES TO BE HOOKED IN:
I am a decendant of Lindores from Australia.
William Lindores born in Haddington, Scotland in 1812 was sent to Australia on the ship "John Barry 3" after a house break.
if at all this ties in with your family tree please feel free to email me and i will give you as much information as i can.
William was the son of John Lindores b 1785 and Margaret lindores b 1789 nee Lidgate.
william had a brother John b1819
Other: Alexander Lindores (Hind of Clarelaw - what does that mean?) m Margaret Scot had the following children:
Margaret b October 1867
Annie 9th November 1869
William b 22 June 1851
Isabell b June 16, 1856
All in Roxburgh County, Scotland
Margaret Lindores daughter of James Lindores and Janet Tory was born December 21,1849 in Berwick.
James Lindores (Mason) and Ann Hosie from Rowantreefauld proclaim banns on May 21, 1853
John Lindores and Johanne Mowden banns for marriages May 11, 1851 in East Lothian Scotland
Feb 12, 1866 a James Lindores was born illegitimately to David Thomson (labourer) and Mary Lindores (farm servant) at Cockburnpath.
December 7, 1855 in Edin. Margaret Lindores (house servant at Craigscook Castle) married Thomas Muirhead (gardener, same place)
her parents were John Lindores (forester) and Marion Sutherland.
Lthe censuses of 1841, 1851, 1861 and 1871,
which have been compiled by the local Family History Society, but could not
find any entry for Lindores on them. The 1881 census was compiled by the
Mormons, and is fairly widely avaialable on CD-Rom. On this I found an
entry (rather sketchily written by the enumerator) for 10 Midland Place,
Wincobank. This is for James Lindores (aged 52), a boiler maker, born
Manchester. His wife is Elizabeth (52), and his children John (21), Robert
(19), Anne (15) and James (12). All are listed as born in Manchester, and
the two eldest are also boiler makers. The reference is RG11/4664/127/6
It would appear that James was born c.1869 in Manchester and that the family
moved at some point to Sheffield.
More About James Lindores and <Unnamed>:
Single: Bet. 1890 - 1895, St. Michaels, Belfast Ireland.
Children of James Lindores are:
- +Alexander Lindores, b. March 17, 1903, Belfast, North Ireland, d. February 12, 1961, Glendale, California.
- Sarah Lindores.
- James Lindores.
- +William Lindores, b. November 02, 1899, Belfast, North Ireland, d. 1969, Canada.
- Eleanor Lindores.
- +Mabel Lindores.
- Edith Lindores.
- +Martha Lindores, b. 1896, d. 1936.
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James Lindores (b. 1869, d. date unknown)
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