Descendants of Jean George * BOUTILIER

Generation No. 1

1. JEAN GEORGE *¹ BOUTILIER was born August 19, 1691 in Etoben, Monteliard, France, and died 1752 in believed died at sea enroute to NS; Notes. He married SARAH * GRANGE January 19, 1722/23 in Etoben, Monteliard, France, daughter of PIERRE * GRANGE. She was born Abt. 1700 in France.

Notes for JEAN GEORGE * BOUTILIER:

Jean George left Europe on May 30, 1752, the ship "Sally" arrived in Halifx in September 1752. It is felt likely he died enroute as He was on board ship when it departed Rotterdam, but was not entered on the first victualling lists at Halifax and his younger children were registered as orphans. He was a Joiner by trade.

Child of JEAN BOUTILIER and SARAH GRANGE is:

2. i. JEAN NICHOLAS *² BOUTILIER, b. October 2, 1731, Etobon, France; d. December 16, 1799, see Notes of Dau. below; d.1784/1799 resp..

Generation No. 2

2. JEAN NICHOLAS *² BOUTILIER (JEAN GEORGE *¹) was born October 2, 1731 in Etobon, France, and died December 16, 1799 in see Notes of Dau. below; d.1784/1799 resp.. He married ANNA JUDITH METIN May 3, 1757 in St. John's, Lunenburg. She was born Abt. 1732 in Catherine MAILLARD or this Judith MEHN or DeMETT, and died in above wives same order as above husbands.

More About JEAN NICHOLAS * BOUTILIER:

Burial: note: Jean George, bro. of Nicholas md. C. MAILLARD

More About ANNA JUDITH METIN:

Burial: both had a daughter Catherine

Child of JEAN BOUTILIER and ANNA METIN is:

3. i. CATHERINE *³ BOUTILIER, b. June 26, 1761, NS; or born 1762 or 3 ?; d. Bef. 1826, see Notes = 2 possible sets of Parents.

Generation No. 3

3. CATHERINE *³ BOUTILIER (JEAN NICHOLAS *², JEAN GEORGE *¹) was born June 26, 1761 in NS; or born 1762 or 3 ?, and died Bef. 1826 in see Notes = 2 possible sets of Parents. She married JOHN CONRAD * WESTHAVER September 28, 1783 in Dutch Reform Church, Lunenberg, NS, Can., son of JOHANN WESTHOFER and ANNA CHRISTINA. He was born October 31, 1758 in Maders Cove, Lunenberg Co. NS; "Conrad", and died in See NOTES on their daughter below.

Notes for CATHERINE * BOUTILIER:

There are many Bouteliers in the area now. In fact on the 1792-93 census of St.Margaret's Bay there are 7 BOUTELIER males listed there:

George, Farmer 6 cattle

Jacques, Farmer 6 cattle

James, Master trading vessel, had 6 cows.

James Frederick, Boatmaster, had 8 cattle.

John, farmer, 6 cows

John

John George, farmer, 3 cows.

There is also:

Conrad WESTAHVER, farmer, 2 cows.

This census is odd in that it does not list any children or wives, in fact there are NO females at all!

Nov.27, 1996, Don Shankle emailed me his papers showing the date of Her marriage to John Conrad WESTHAVER, but unfortunately he has the birth of TWO Catherine BOUTELIERs baptized within 13 months of each other to different parents both at St. Johns Anglican church: Nicholas & Anna Judith (METIN) BOUTELIER, baptized their Catherine June 26, 1762, & the other family: Jean George & wife Catherine (MAILLARD) BOUTELIER baptized their Catherine July 24, 1763.

Also see my notes on this couples daughter.

Notes for JOHN CONRAD * WESTHAVER:

This man apparently went by Conrad. There are at least two different birth years for him: 1756 & 1758. Joe Whitby has written me that he was baptized April 7, 1756 @ St. John's in Lunenburg.

Children of CATHERINE BOUTILIER and JOHN WESTHAVER are:

4. i. CATHERINE MARGARET"PEGGY" *⁴ WESTHAVER, b. July 1, 1786, Could be or B: 1790 or 91 ? (see Daug. Eliza note); d. September 5, 1863, T.Punch says above; PANS 15029-x says Mary.

ii. JOHANNES WESTHAVER, b. July 14, 1789.

iii. ANNA ELIZABETH WESTHAVER, b. February 8, 1793, She & Susannah are twins.

iv. SUSANNAH WESTHAVER, b. February 8, 1793, She and Anna Elizabeth are twins.

v. JOSEPH WESTHAVER, b. April 21, 1794.

vi. PETER WESTHAVER, b. November 17, 1795.

vii. SOPHIA WESTHAVER, b. April 12, 1797.

viii. VALENTINE WESTHAVER, b. May 5, 1801.

ix. WILLIAM CONRAD WESTHAVER, b. May 1, 1804.

x. FREDERICK WESTHAVER, b. July 10, 1805.

Generation No. 4

4. CATHERINE MARGARET"PEGGY" *⁴ WESTHAVER (CATHERINE *³ BOUTILIER, JEAN NICHOLAS *², JEAN GEORGE *¹) was born July 1, 1786 in Could be or B: 1790 or 91 ? (see Daug. Eliza note), and died September 5, 1863 in T.Punch says above; PANS 15029-x says Mary. She married CHRISTIAN * JOLLIMORE November 13, 1806 in St. John's Anglican Ch, Lunenberg, NS, son of JAMES JOLLIMORE and CATHERINE ROBART. He was born June 30, 1779 in St.Margaret's Bay,NS; fisherman; may be b.1777 or 78, and died November 3, 1858 in Probably Mill Cove, NS; see NOTES.

Notes for CATHERINE MARGARET"PEGGY" * WESTHAVER:

This is a most confusing family. Clyde Westhaver writes in his book that John Conrad WESTHAVER married Catherine BOUTILIER in 1783, but then says he made a will on Oct. 29, 1784, a copy of which is in German and lies in the N.S. Archives! He then says Conrad had a saw mill, but that this family dissapeared. Terry Punch writes only of the one child, but Clyde Westhaver makes no mention of any children. Further complicating things he writes that Conrad married Anna Margaretha May 9th, 1782. I think he is mixing up Conrad with his half brother John Jacob who did mary Anna Margaretha.

Joe Whitby has read that she went by Margaret (& Peggy by close friends), but never Catherine. I had another reference that showed her as Mary Margaret, instead of Catherine Margaret.

Notes for CHRISTIAN * JOLLIMORE:

This man is confusing because James Louis & Catherine Margaret may have had 2 boys with similar names: Christian (b.1779?) & Chris (b.Feb 2, 1802. This is not a birth/baptism date difference because Chris' baptism was shown also as July 7, 1802. And have birthdates for the first one varying 1777, 1778, 1779.

This marriage was shown in Don Shankle's marriages of Lunenberg Co. gives her name as Marg WESTHAVER.

Children of CATHERINE WESTHAVER and CHRISTIAN JOLLIMORE are:

i. JOHN VALENTINE⁵ JOLLIMORE, b. November 25, 1807, was a farmer at Margarets Bay, NS; d. md.in presence of John SIMS & JaneE.COOLEN; m. MARY ELIZABETH BOUTELLIER, December 24, 1828, St. Stephens Anglic.Ch.Chester,NS; b. Abt. 1810; d. marriage info on reel 15029x @ PANS.

ii. JOSEPH JOLLIMORE, b. Abt. 1808.

iii. JAMES JOLLIMORE, b. June 19, 1809.

iv. GEORGE F. JOLLIMORE, b. March 26, 1811.

v. SUSANNAH MARGARET JOLLIMORE, b. December 26, 1815.

vi. JOHN DAVID JOLLIMORE, b. May 30, 1817.

vii. WILLIAM JOLLIMORE, b. 1821; d. 1898.

viii. ELIZA JANE * JOLLIMORE, b. October 17, 1824, Mill Cove, NS (Christened 12-6-1824 IGI); d. October 10, 1915, Liverpool, Nova Scotia; m. JAMES * PLUMMER, April 16, 1843, St.Stephen Ch.,Chester,NS; PANS 15029-x; b. December 24, 1819, NB?/NS? or aboard ship? 4-21-1812?(between 1811-20); d. May 15, 1913, Liverpool, Nova Scotia.

Notes for ELIZA JANE * JOLLIMORE:

CD-ROM IGI shows she was christened Dec 6, 1824 At the St. Stephen Anglican, Chester, Lunenberg, NS.; and shows her parents: Christian JOLLIMORE & Mary. The marriage to James verified in the PANS reel 15029-x which also shows a William Jollimore (presumably her 3 year older brother) in attendance at the wedding. However Terry Punch has Eliza's Mother's name as Catherine Margaret WESTHAVER rather than Mary? To further the confusion about Eliza Jane is the fact that Olive Thibault's book on the Jollimore's doesn't show Eliza Jane at all, but lists all the other children of Peggy & Christian including 2 Susan's (probably one is our Eliza?) Unfortunately her obituary doesn't mention her parents names: from The Liverpool advance Oct 13, 1915:

"The funeral of Mrs. Eliza J. Plummer, one of the oldest citizens of Liverpool, took place Monday from her late residence & was largely attended. The deceased was the widow of the late James Plummer & was 91 years of age. She is survived by several daughters & 2 grandsons, Edward with whom she resided & Robert also residing in Liverpool. Services at the home & grave were conducted by Rev. W.H. Watts. Interment was made in the Methodist Cemetary beside the remains of her husband." Note: That cemetary is now called Zion United Cemetary. Also of interest is there were 2 children died less than 1 year old: Leander & Ambrose PLUMMER (1864 & 1865, parents not shown) in list of Deaths of Lunenberg area edited by Don Shankle, obtained off computer. This would explain the wide gap in years between Emily & Laura (1860 & 1867). This lists shows NO other Plummers. The 1901 census shows a slightly different BD: Oct.19, 1825, instead of 1824!

More About ELIZA JANE * JOLLIMORE:

Burial: Zion Methodist Cem.

Notes for JAMES * PLUMMER:

His Gravestone which was at his Great-Grandson James Plummer's home, fractured in several places. I did photograph the stone, but it states he was 98 years old when he died that would imply a birthdate of about 1915. However his Obituary seems to alter that date slightly.

Sources from the T.B. Smith Collection in Halifax Library sent to me by cousin Dora Page in Oct 1992.

Obituary from the Liverpool Advance paper May 21, 1913:

"On Thursday morning May 15th, James Plummer, of this town, went the way of all on earth. It is somewhat difficult to obtain his exact age, but in all probability he was in his 99th year, as unlikely as that may seem at that time. He was born in mid-ocean while his parents were emigrating from England to Halifax. In early manhood he moved from the garrison city (Halifax) to St. Margaret's Bay, where he was united in marriage to Eliza Jane Jollymore. Fourteen children were born of the union, eight of whom- 2 sons & 6 daughters are still living. Some 55 yrs. ago, Mr. Plummer, in company with a number of others, moved his family to Liverpool, of which town he remained a citizen until his death. Of late years he obtained the distinction of being the oldest person in the community, if not in the whole county. He and his wife lived happily together for almost 3/4 of a century. He leaves, besides the children mentioned above, an aged widow, a small army of grandchildren. Many of his children had families as large as their father's and a host of great-grandchildren. The funeral was held on Saturday afternoon and was conducted by Rev. C.M. Mack and the body of this centenarian was laid to rest in the Methodist cemetary."

Another note lists him as 98 years and 4 months @ death. He was listed as age 60 in the 1871 census records of Liverpool > implying born 1811?

Another news clipping from the Liverpool advance paper I believe Feb 7, 1906 (could be 1908-puts his B.D. at 1820-21) says: James Plummer, one of our aged citizens of 86 years spent last week at his old home, Hubbard's Cove, after an absence of 25 years, returning on last night's train. The obituary reads he must have left Hubbard's Cove about 1858, and I guess this above clip suggests he had not visited Hubbard's cove since 1881.

The CD-ROM IGI shows he and Eliza were married April 16, 1843 @ St. Stephens. in Chester, Lunenberg. This is verified in the microfilm files from the church records at the Public Archives (PANS) at Halifax. I cannot find anything that shows a previous wife. I cannot figure out why we cannot find out anything about parents. If he was born in mid ocean there had to be a mother leave England. Perhaps she was widowed and died on ship after delivery ?

Dora Page has written that The old Plummer grant of 400 acres was in Mill Cove. She says she spent many happy summers there as a child with Aunt Louisa. Then states that in the 1960s a large piece of the Plummer grant was expropriated by the government for a military base. She can remember Aunt Louisa's son's widow Nettie only received $400 for the land & she was so hardup that Dora's parents were compelled to give her money.

I found an interesting Marriage note next to the marriage of Eunice PLUMMER to Wm. SIMS was the first possibility for a sib of James: Mary Ann PLUMMER md. William TAYLOR Dec.8, 1842 at a Methodist Ch. in LIVERPOOL! These are the ONLY 2 marriages of Plummers shown in Don Shankles "Marriages of Lunenberg areas". If it is true this Mary Ann Plummer was a sister of James (actually its even possible she could have been a very young daughter from an earlier marriage, if his B.D. was 1811, the earliest, but least likely we have for him), then it is significant because we have James md. 1843 in Chester, so this Plummer female preceded James coming to Liverpool. James' obit. implies he left St. Margarets' area for Liverpool about 1858 (1913 minus 55 years).

Today Dec.96, I received an email from Linda Rafuse at the Queens Co., Museum, who has found a 1901 census for Liverpool, on which James PLUMMER gave his birthdate as Dec. 25, 1819. This is a more realistic age for him, than what had previously been mentioned (obit., etc.) which was the 1811-1814 range. 1819 still makes him 94 years old at Death, very unusual for that era! This extends the total range of possible B.D.s from 1811 to 1822, so I guess for now I'll compromise with the above XMAS day, 1919.

I have found a listing for 2 child deaths @ Liverpool: 1.) Ambrose Gebard (or probably Gabriel) PLUMMER died @ 2 months old; 2.) Leander PLUMMER, died 9-15-1864 @ 11 months old - both children of James & Eliza.

Next major development occurred in Fall of 1997, in which an email contact from Alberta Frey mentioned she had a James Plummer, born 1812. who was born in Sheffield, NB, s/o John, in turn s/o Silvanus Plumer who hailed from Pomfret, CT, USA before migrating North to New Brunswick!!

I had initially completely discounted this find as unlikely due to getting back again to the improbability of being born in 1812, making him almost 101 at death. Also I had never heard of a New Brunswick connection or less likely Connecticut possibilities that didn't seem to fit, but yet the Dec. 25 bd certainly wouldn't fit due to it being unlikely to be able to cross the North Atlantic in late December. The New Brunswick information was (luckily for me) brought back to life by Barbara Ysseldyk, our Plummer cousin from Markham, Ontario - Who, more astutely than I, thought it wise to pursue this data. She then sent me a page taken from LDS material that showed a Silvanus at one time staying with our James in NS !! The name Silvanus seemed far too unlikely to be simple coincidence, and so then I discovered the Plummer line, (first on an LDS cd-rom in our Bloomington, IL historical library) well documented from Newbury, MA that has a whole line of Silvanus Plummers in it, and goes all the way back to Frances Plummer, born 1594 in England. Then I discovered a URL on the net, the Plummer part sponsored laboriously by Steve DeNunzio that tracks many of those early Plummers from MA, including Frances, and other generations of Silvanus.

Iris Shea ( ishea@ccca.com ) & Joe Whitby ( jowhitby@ns.sympatico.ca ) have sent me data from St. Paul's Ch. in Halifax showing baptisms of 6 children of a Mary & James Plummer:

PLUMMER Names born baptized

Louisa Ann Hughes May 3, 1815 May 27, 1815 (2nd middle name Hughes suggests possibly Mother, Mary's maiden name ?)

William Sanders Dec.19, 1817 Feb. 12, 1818

James John Dec.24, 1819 Jan 17, 1822

John McDowall Dec.25, 1821 Jan. 17, 1822

Horatio Nelson July 8, 1824 Oct. 16, 1824

David Alexander Mar.3, 1826 April 10, 1826

Where did all these people disappear to?

We presume it is very likely this 3rd child is our James, which coincides by only ONE DAY off with the date J.P. gave for his BD on the 1901 census. So is this Father - James - the James born 1786, s/o Silvanus?

Still later, Don Plummer has exchanged several emails with us. He has extensively researched the New Brunswick Plummer lines. His material strongly suggests to me that the Sylvanus line doesn't include our James' family at all. My present position (as of Feb. 2000) is that the Halifax family of 6 children above IS ours and that our James is the one born 1819. BUT that the British sympathizer, Sylvanus' line is NOT ours - just misleading name similarities with the James given names. The key to finding more will probably have to come from discovering where all these other Plummer children went that we presume to be James' siblings and try to find more data from that family location and hopefully some descendants of James' siblings. The only other lead that still might make me change my mind about Sylvanus being our James ancestor - is the finding of Mary Ann Plummer marrying Wm. Taylor in Liverpool - BEFORE our James was in Liverpool, but marrying only one year before our James married Eliza. There is a Mary Ann Plummer as a known descendant in Sylvanus' line and about the right age. It may be completely coincidental however that she was in Liverpool about 12 to 16 years before James migrated there from Mill Cove. I've never been able to track down that Taylor family other than the finding of the marriage.

For some definite things about James - all from Joe Whitby's research:

1861 Mill Cove census shows James (also on same census is Charles SIMS, II with 2 sibs, Tim & Michael). Charles household shows a total of 11 people - 4 males & 7 females. Joe Whitby has sent me all these census reports and says he thinks that sex number is incorrect that it should be one more female and one less male.

1871 Liverpool Census: shows James age 60 (BD =1811), Eliza 47, Charles 10, Robert 14, Emily 11 & Laura 4. most of the girls had married and left home by then as most were married in the early 1860s.

1881 Liverpool Census, section B, Page 19: James 67 (his birthdate is getting later! = 1814), Eliza 57, Charles L 25, Laura 13, Robert 23, Eliza 24, Robert C. 2 & William J. 3 (the latter 4 being Robert, his 1st wife & family. PLUS another family living with them: - Agnes YORK 28, Clara M. YORK 7, Charlotte YORK 4, & Nellie B. YORK 2.

1891 Liverpool Census, section H2, Pg. 21: James 73 (BD still getting later =1818 ) & Eliza 66. PLUS Lemuel WEAGLE 25, Son-in-Law & his wife Laura (James' youngest daughter age 25), Edward 5, Clifford 3, Robert 2 & William PLUMMER age 2 also shown as a Grandson ? - on page 36 there is an Amie PLUMMER shown as a domestic in the home of John CORBIE.

1901 Liverpool Census, Sect. Z-3, Pg. 5: James 81 (BD=1820), Eliza 75, Robert WEAGLE 11, Edward SIMS 14 (shown as G.son like Robert Weagle) & Burnie PLUMMER 5, G-son.

The following names are all the Plummer names that Don Shankle has in his Datafile on his wonderful Website - Nov. 2000

TALP = Trinity Lutheran Ch. in Liverpool; SSAC = St. Stephen's Ch. in Chester; MLP = Methodist Ch. in Liverpool; LCTY= Lunenburg Co. Records.

"PLUMMER","Ambrose Gabard","D","1865-12-15","Liverpool",,,"2m","TALP"

"PLUMMER","Ambrose Gabriel","B","1865-10-21","James & Eliza",,"1865-11-27",,"TALP"

"PLUMMER","Angelina","B","1845-05-20","James & Eliza Jane",,"1845-06-04",,"SSAC"

"PLUMMER","Ann Agnes","B","1851-04-06","James & Eliza",,"1851-06-15",,"SSAC"

"PLUMMER","Cath Louisa","B","1846-1-26","James & Eliza Jane",,"1847-04-28",,"SSAC"

"PLUMMER","Clara Ann","B","1868-11-22","Solomon Dorey & Agnes",,"1869-01-13",,"TALP"

"PLUMMER","Eunice","M","1869-01-14","Sims, William",,,,"TALP"

"PLUMMER","James","M","1843-04-16","JOLLIMORE, Eliz","Hubbards",,,"SSAC"

"PLUMMER","Leander","D","1864-09-15","Liverpool",,,"11m","TALP"

"PLUMMER","Louisa","M","1863-12-25",,"LCTY","Isaac Roy","Mill Cove",

"PLUMMER","Mary Ann","M","1842-12-08","Taylor, William","Mill Vill",,,"MLP"

"PLUMMER","Mary Cath","B","1843-11-05","James & Eliza Jane",,"1843-12-20",,"SSAC"

More About JAMES * PLUMMER:

Burial: Zion Methodist Cem. , Liverpool